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"rogue_hog"

I'm just wondering if these are rhodium plated. Cos I understand from several local watchmakers they have faced issues with rhodium plating before. Apparently it flakes over time and damages the movement.





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Seems to be Anthracite plated like the ST-1 movements according to their website. Not too sure what is the chemical composition though.
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"Solanum88"

[quote="rogue_hog"]I'm just wondering if these are rhodium plated. Cos I understand from several local watchmakers they have faced issues with rhodium plating before. Apparently it flakes over time and damages the movement.





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Seems to be Anthracite plated like the ST-1 movements according to their website. Not too sure what is the chemical composition though.[/quote]
found this wiki page explaining what ANTHRACITE is... but nothing mentioned how it's processed onto other surfaces...

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seems that the only plus point about this ANTHRACITE is heat resistence.
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So no difference except for the cosmetic improvements on the movement itself. Gives those who misses out that last time round a chance to obtain a bronze flieger.
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"Paladium"

So no difference except for the cosmetic improvements on the movement itself. Gives those who misses out that last time round a chance to obtain a bronze flieger.

yep... the ANTHRACITE thingy seems to be just plating/PVD coating to make the movement look different than regular polished brass.



Found another info here regarding this ANTHRACITE... from an independent CANADIAN watch maker.

...Some of the other finishes that will be available right away are radial brushing, circular brushing, sandblasted finish, and perlage(hopefully in different circle sizes as well). There are some other finishing options that may or may not appear before the holidays. Colouring options which will be available right away will be plain/naked brass, copper plating, palladium plating(silvery colour), 24k yellow gold plating, and oxidized(greyish tone). I am hoping to also add rose gold plating and [size=111]ruthenium plating(grey anthracite colour)[/size] to the mix shortly.

sauce...

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New "in house" movement, the ST 5. Seems like a 2824-2 clone from specs though.

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Ok so what's the difference between coating and plating? Both will flake off eventually? Will still cause damage?





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"Solanum88"

New "in house" movement, the ST 5. Seems like a 2824-2 clone from specs though.



I won't be surprised it's just a modified or heavily modified existing eta calibre Like the st1.





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How much would the price difference if they started with these in house movements. If they have almost the same specs with a eta calibre, would we just be paying for cosmetic changes?



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"Diospada"

How much would the price difference if they started with these in house movements. If they have almost the same specs with a eta calibre, would we just be paying for cosmetic changes?



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at least they make an effort to decorate it and not simply just using ETA movement as a base to keep chunking out watches. :mrgreen:
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Reckon can use the st1's price as a guide. Compare the st1 nav b-hur against one that uses 6497.





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I like the circular geneva stripes on the ST1, but the ST5 reminds me of

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"Solanum88"

I like the circular geneva stripes on the ST1, but the ST5 reminds me of



Lol exact same thought bro! Maybe a few ninja turtles will jump out from there..



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Haha! Good one. Maybe throw some banana skin on it to complete the look?





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I suppose it's expected steinhart will use an eta base to redecorate and improve into their own movement. I think they are still some way off from developing a true in house movement from scratch.
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Well... ETA do clearly make their stand on the recent report saying that they're cutting supplies on the movements but did not make any words on being as "contract producer" for other watchmakers around the globe.

Looking ETA action from business angle, should they can secure deals/contracts with other watch producers, not only they can secure on price, they can also manage production volume better. Hell... they can even manipulate the supplies better. Remember that either Selittas or Soprod are dependent on Swatch group's key parts supplies? So what if big players like Sinn, IWC, Oris as well as others can engage other movement makers to produce their movements? In the end, it's still ETA calling the shots...
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"Solanum88"

I like the circular geneva stripes on the ST1, but the ST5 reminds me of


haaaa~~~
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The vintage sub is out, priced rather differently from other ocean models.



Too bad at 42mm might not be suitable for me :(

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I am very disappointed. Looks like a seiko fff.

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I think they lost the proportions of the original in their interpretation.

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yahlor. still a hommage. guess many disappointed but as usual, i guess this watch shld be able to sell.
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"rogue_hog"

I am very disappointed. Looks like a seiko fff.



On the contrary, I quite like the simplistic design of it. More sophisticated and class than I imagine. :)
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Been speechless for couples of hours since the announcement was made...

Still in the mix feelings...

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I just think that they wanted a bit too much of the vintage vibe on this.



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Who here has already preordered either from steinhart itself or gnomon? Sure got some fast hand fast leg bros
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This release gets a lot of mix feelings. Some likes alot, some don't, i myself is in a dilemma.

Here, in SG, i believe there will be quite a number of folks may had been expecting a release @ 40mm case size, a little smaller, yet close to the original with minor difference.
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"Ed.YEO"

This release gets a lot of mix feelings. Some likes alot, some don't, i myself is in a dilemma.

Here, in SG, i believe there will be quite a number of folks may had been expecting a release @ 40mm case size, a little smaller, yet close to the original with minor difference.


I have never for a minute thought they would produce anyone smaller than 42mm. They tend to keep in line with heir current range. I reckon it could be cost driven too. It would cost more from a production standpoint to introduce and manufacture a different case. I don't think there is a 40mm in their current line up. So far there are 38, 42, 44, 47. Their divers are all 42.









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"telepgm"

[quote="rogue_hog"]I am very disappointed. Looks like a seiko fff.



On the contrary, I quite like the simplistic design of it. More sophisticated and class than I imagine. :)[/quote]
Looks good, but resembles a vintage rolex sub too much...
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A real pity, I wasn't expecting but hoping they would go 40mm with this one. Would have been a home run if they had. I'm sure there will still be many orders for this piece.
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Apart from size I think they should have offered this model with an acrylic crystal. A sapphire crystal on a watch with that much vintage cues just doesn't seem right to me.
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"Solanum88"

Apart from size I think they should have offered this model with an acrylic crystal. A sapphire crystal on a watch with that much vintage cues just doesn't seem right to me.


ActuAlly, i,ve been puzzled by this. Does acrylic, hardless or sapphire really make a difference aesthetically? So far all the seiko watches i,ve mod i,ve left the hardlex crystal alone, unless it gets scratched then i change sapphire but comparing the ones i have sapphire with inner ar only, doesn,t look different to hardlex? Although i agree those with outer ar look nice with the blue hue, but then again outer ar tends to wear off over time as well?





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"balzebub71"

[quote="telepgm"]


On the contrary, I quite like the simplistic design of it. More sophisticated and class than I imagine. :)

Looks good, but resembles a vintage rolex sub too much...[/quote]
If there are more "gold" on the markers around the bezel, more reds from the front look...





It will match this Nato very well !

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"Jeryltan"

[quote="Solanum88"]Apart from size I think they should have offered this model with an acrylic crystal. A sapphire crystal on a watch with that much vintage cues just doesn't seem right to me.


ActuAlly, i,ve been puzzled by this. Does acrylic, hardless or sapphire really make a difference aesthetically? ...[/quote]
From the technical specs point of view... although i'm not clear on this... but i think i will have bigger confidence if the crystal is sapphire to take the 300m approximate depth under water pressure?

Some more it's going to be "scratch free" for some period of time until the day it meets some other materials that's more tougher?

I do agree that using "easy to age" acrylic crystal, adds more feel to the theme of Vintage...
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"Jeryltan"

[quote="Solanum88"]Apart from size I think they should have offered this model with an acrylic crystal. A sapphire crystal on a watch with that much vintage cues just doesn't seem right to me.


ActuAlly, i,ve been puzzled by this. Does acrylic, hardless or sapphire really make a difference aesthetically? So far all the seiko watches i,ve mod i,ve left the hardlex crystal alone, unless it gets scratched then i change sapphire but comparing the ones i have sapphire with inner ar only, doesn,t look different to hardlex? Although i agree those with outer ar look nice with the blue hue, but then again outer ar tends to wear off over time as well?



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Hardlex is quite different from acrylic, its more like a mineral glass imo which is very close to sapphire.



I think it does. There's a kind of warmth and distortion that acrylic has and sapphire cannot produce.

When sapphire tries to mimic domed acrylic, it turns out rather odd and usually there is a white "ring" around the domed edge.
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"Ed.YEO"

[quote="balzebub71"]
Looks good, but resembles a vintage rolex sub too much...

If there are more "gold" on the markers around the bezel, more reds from the front look...





It will match this Nato very well !

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I think it already matches very well. That,s the 1st strap that came to my mind when i saw the watch actually. Lol





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"Solanum88"

[quote="Jeryltan"]


ActuAlly, i,ve been puzzled by this. Does acrylic, hardless or sapphire really make a difference aesthetically? So far all the seiko watches i,ve mod i,ve left the hardlex crystal alone, unless it gets scratched then i change sapphire but comparing the ones i have sapphire with inner ar only, doesn,t look different to hardlex? Although i agree those with outer ar look nice with the blue hue, but then again outer ar tends to wear off over time as well?



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Hardlex is quite different from acrylic, its more like a mineral glass imo which is very close to sapphire.



I think it does. There's a kind of warmth and distortion that acrylic has and sapphire cannot produce.

When sapphire tries to mimic domed acrylic, it turns out rather odd and usually there is a white "ring" around the domed edge.[/quote]

Hm. Interesting. Never noticed that, but i don,t have any acrylic watches to compare also.





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"Ed.YEO"

[quote="Jeryltan"]


ActuAlly, i,ve been puzzled by this. Does acrylic, hardless or sapphire really make a difference aesthetically? ...

From the technical specs point of view... although i'm not clear on this... but i think i will have bigger confidence if the crystal is sapphire to take the 300m approximate depth under water pressure?

Some more it's going to be "scratch free" for some period of time until the day it meets some other materials that's more tougher?

I do agree that using "easy to age" acrylic crystal, adds more feel to the theme of Vintage...[/quote]

Acrylic should be fine even at 300m, a couple of great dive watches are rated to 300m and use acrylic (eg. Omega SM300).

Sapphire is more scratch resistant but it shatters if it breaks while scratches on acrylic can be easily buffed away using polywatch.



I think end of the day both materials have their pros and cons.
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my 44mm bronze pilot arrived.







lucky didnt go for the 47mm, 44 just nice.. sits quite nicely on wrist.
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Steinhart's staff upload of the latest release in with different straps, which the company's owner will be strapping for early X'mas dinner.
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Looks quite nice with the leather straps. Maybe shall give this another look on a vintage leather instead of a bracelet.
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"Ed.YEO"



Steinhart's staff upload of the latest release in with different straps, which the company's owner will be strapping for early X'mas dinner.

Strangely I think it looks better here than their actual product shot, the patina lume doesn't look that bad here.
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There's always some minor discrepancies between studio shots and real life pictures due to slight change in angle or lighting.

I learnt that lesson before when i got my Nav.B LSE Chrono more than a years ago, during that time i thought that the dial will be silky white, in the end turns out as metal silver brushed.

This latest release also have minor impression discrepancies as well, where i initially thought that the bezel thickness will be thin at the edge with narrower grooves. But from the picture shown, we can see pretty obvious that the grooves are much thinner, wider, and bezel thicker. Should the tightness is as questionable as those who had experienced on O2, it will be hard to turn.
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Seems like someone manage to get hold of old steinhart/debaufre parts and are selling them up on ebay.



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He is even selling Steinhart/Debaufre GMT cases mated with chinese movements :o
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"rogue_hog"

[quote="Cosmograph"]




Very simply, models I wanted, gnomon did not have for whatever reason. No availability to get even with them. Might as well deal with steinhart direct. On top of that save a few red notes. (Of course if any issue comes up, then we are left on our own - risk we take)



Rogue, you are a hardcore supporter of gnomon already. It is different as the rest of us are buying only a fraction of what steinhart's you buy above other brands gnomon carries. We know you may not be the top buyer but you are up there within their VIP list so it is different for you vs. many here. Service is not the same. :)


Haha no lah. The level of service is the same. In fact if I send anything back to repair or for service, I have to take a number too. The longest I had to wait for a watch to be serviced there was 3 months!



Actually, I did not get my ovm from them. When the stock came, they refused to sell to me cos all were already allocated. However, one customer put his ovm on sale the dame day he collected from gnomon. Another customer bought it. And he offered it to me at $550 after 2 weeks of ownership. Although the piece was from them, I did not get from gnomon directly. I wanted my ennebi bronze with green dial but couldn't cos there were only 2 green dials and both we reserved and he wouldn't release them to me.



In fact, I have witnessed the arrival of many models I wanted but cos I did not pay deposit, I was not able to get them. When the racetimer's came, the first thing anders told me was, sorry, dude, e blue's taken.



To say that I have privellege is not true cos gnomon still exercise the same rules on me.



Why am I a supporter? Well, several reasons. 1 is I like to fiddle with the watches before I buy them. 2. The convenience of the warranty. 3. I do not need to be the first few to own any particular model. So I am in no rush to get the watches. Especially stein harts. So I'm okay to wait for them.[/quote]

Sorry if I dug up this but I also attempted to contact Gnomon for a Steinhart I was eyeing and the attitude was like no discounts, this is the price, take it or leave it and dun forget to add the GST.



Kind of put-off by this experience esp since ADs (at least for the major brands) have a inbuilt discount which they can give to customers, plus the attitude is unbelievable... I rather take my chances getting the 'cheaper' one from Steinhart direct.
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Just went to Gnomon recently, attitude wise its a hit or miss. Btw their new shipment of Steiharts will come in Feb next year at the earliest.



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I don't see an issue with not offering discounts though. I favor an outright price than having msrp marked up and be offered pseudo discounts.
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They do mark up the price. Website price and store price is different.



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"doinkydoink"

They do mark up the price. Website price and store price is different.

Their mark up... perhaps to be fair, is to support his operation. After all, if we're to look at the bigger angle, Gnomon have a shop space in prime district, a sales girl or 2 to feed, so as the rental of his repair workshop which is a floor above, as well as his team of watchmakers...

I would not say it's a fair pricing, but the extra charges goes to those expenses...

In contrast to big group's produce, you pay more than 3k for a RADO DIA-STAR Chrono with warranty @ Mustafa, yet... during this Xmas period, you pay less than USD$1.5k @ Ashford.



There will be some mark ups here and there...
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"Ed.YEO"

[quote="doinkydoink"]They do mark up the price. Website price and store price is different.

Their mark up... perhaps to be fair, is to support his operation. After all, if we're to look at the bigger angle, Gnomon have a shop space in prime district, a sales girl or 2 to feed, so as the rental of his repair workshop which is a floor above, as well as his team of watchmakers...

I would not say it's a fair pricing, but the extra charges goes to those expenses...

In contrast to big group's produce, you pay more than 3k for a RADO DIA-STAR Chrono with warranty @ Mustafa, yet... during this Xmas period, you pay less than USD$1.5k @ Ashford.



There will be some mark ups here and there...[/quote]

I don't mean compare to Steinhart website.



Their price tag in the shop is higher than their own website. If you are not aware, you may end up paying higher price than if u order online from them.







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Orh.... okie...

Maybe we can look at this way...

Ever wonder why STEINHART fans from other parts of the world still order frm Gnomon since they can determine the actual price against STEINHART website price base on x-rates? I did the calculation before, indeed, a tad bit amount higher than Germany's export price. But still draws orders all the way from the States/Canada/Australia as well as HK.

Stable supply is maybe the keyword? I dun know...

One thing though, even as an appointed distributor, and perhaps STEINHART gives some discounts to every watch distributed/shipping to their sellers, SG side still kanna GST even though some of the goods are subjected for re-export.



I was once a logistic officer before, i know that even if the goods are declared for re-export, GST still applies.

So overseas customers will pay the cost+gst+shipping charges+mark up(ops cost). While we pay (cost + gst) + (gst+ops charges+shipping charges).



I dunno does Gnomon use the formula above, but the previous company i worked definitely does with their stationaries and toys.
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Yes they have a list price but it's nominal, I usually get quoted somewhere around website price + gst without any bargaining.