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Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

zeikphur
Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
This brand has been gaining a lot of popularity overseas as well as locally.

Bros, what are your take on its future and will it be the next sinn (acquired by HG or other horological giants),

thus sky-rocketing its value?
Ed.YEO
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
STEINHART's ability to gain popularities is partly due to its low-profile marketing strategies, where no public figures are employed to promote their products. Control in staffing also plays a part in getting the costs down. Hence, with their "general priced" tags, most folks would shift away from ultra budget TISSOT and go for STEINHART instead. Ask yourself... lets say, now there are 2 watches placed in front of you, a STEIHART Ocean 1 @ SGD600 vs TISSOT divers model priced @ SGD700, both rated @ 300m WR. Which will you choose?



(for 700SGD, i can get this...)





However, when compare to UHR, STEINHARTs price could be a little high. But when we look closely, UHR's catalogue models are mostly OEMs, and you can find splitting images elsewhere. Low-profiled marketing strategies like no stars advertising factors also plays some part in keeping the selling price low.

UHR had a winning stage currently over STEINHART, is not only the lower price tag, but also the unknown fact on how many people behind the operation such that prompt order processing service can be finished within a few hours of transaction And its a big contrast in STEINAHRT.

Just look at this thread and you'll know...

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f275/perhaps-thread-steinharts-order-processing-576889.html" false;



Since now STEIHART popularity is growing in overwhelming speed, i see that STEINHART will eventually hit themselves on their foot due to large demand over small numbers of staff in processing stage. If they are to be sold off to bigger companies, such as maybe example... like SWATCH group, most likely their products would be marketed with price tags close to the level of HAMILTONs.
Ed.YEO
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"zeikphur"

This brand has been gaining a lot of popularity overseas as well as locally.

Bros, what are your take on its future and will it be the next sinn (acquired by HG or other horological giants),

thus sky-rocketing its value?


In order to reach the SINN status... STEINHART has to be acquired by bigger and expensive watch group, such as G.O or A.L.S, then marketed as their sub category product.
fireal
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"Ed.YEO"

STEINHART's ability to gain popularities is partly due to its low-profile marketing strategies, where no public figures are employed to promote their products. Control in staffing also plays a part in getting the costs down. Hence, with their "general priced" tags, most folks would shift away from ultra budget TISSOT and go for STEINHART instead. Ask yourself... lets say, now there are 2 watches placed in front of you, a STEIHART Ocean 1 @ SGD600 vs TISSOT divers model priced @ SGD700, both rated @ 300m WR. Which will you choose?



(for 700SGD, i can get this...)




i'd go for the tissot







sellwatch
Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
Steinhart mostly are homage. Iirc, there is only 2 watches that are not homages.



If they need to break thru, the designs better be something tasteful and not copying others and putting their name on it.
eguy899
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"sellwatch"

Steinhart mostly are homage. Iirc, there is only 2 watches that are not homages.



If they need to break thru, the designs better be something tasteful and not copying others and putting their name on it.


this Apollon Chrono not homage leh. jin swee!





the Nav-B Chrono II also velli nice! :mrgreen:

http://www.steinhartwatches.de/en/Nav-B-Chrono-II-stainless-steel,165.html"http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss308/eguy899/STEINHART_Proteus%20LE/STEINHART_Proteus_05.jpg" alt="" loading="lazy">

Ed.YEO
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"sellwatch"

Steinhart mostly are homage. Iirc, there is only 2 watches that are not homages.



If they need to break thru, the designs better be something tasteful and not copying others and putting their name on it.


STEINHART's designs are getting better and better that they are shifting themselves from making homages.

However, if we're to look back at other watch makers, even SEIKO and ORIENT have their fair share of homage models as well... so, it would be natural for new brand/labels to make homage pieces first, accumulate their earnings, before going full force on their own designs.

TRITON, PROTEUS, APOLLON are STEINHARTs first few range that are non homage. So as the upcoming Ocean2 divers. Also look out for the gran-prix special auto chrono that's coming up in middle of the year as well.
hisokaka
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"eguy899"

[quote="sellwatch"]Steinhart mostly are homage. Iirc, there is only 2 watches that are not homages.



If they need to break thru, the designs better be something tasteful and not copying others and putting their name on it.


this Apollon Chrono not homage leh. jin swee!





... and the Proteus of course! :lol:



[/quote]

these 3 look really solid!
sellwatch
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"eguy899"

[quote="sellwatch"]Steinhart mostly are homage. Iirc, there is only 2 watches that are not homages.



If they need to break thru, the designs better be something tasteful and not copying others and putting their name on it.


this Apollon Chrono not homage leh. jin swee!





the Nav-B Chrono II also velli nice! :mrgreen:

http://www.steinhartwatches.de/en/Nav-B-Chrono-II-stainless-steel,165.html"http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss308/eguy899/STEINHART_Proteus%20LE/STEINHART_Proteus_05.jpg" alt="" loading="lazy">

[/quote]

Exactly the 2 models I recall. Lol.
sinner1974
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
And the Triton too, originated from steinhart.
zeikphur
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
Thanks guys for your kind insights and thoughts.


"Ed.YEO"

[quote="sellwatch"]Steinhart mostly are homage. Iirc, there is only 2 watches that are not homages.



If they need to break thru, the designs better be something tasteful and not copying others and putting their name on it.


STEINHART's designs are getting better and better that they are shifting themselves from making homages.

However, if we're to look back at other watch makers, even SEIKO and ORIENT have their fair share of homage models as well... so, it would be natural for new brand/labels to make homage pieces first, accumulate their earnings, before going full force on their own designs.

TRITON, PROTEUS, APOLLON are STEINHARTs first few range that are non homage. So as the upcoming Ocean2 divers. Also look out for the gran-prix special auto chrono that's coming up in middle of the year as well.[/quote]

Bro ED, though the Steinhart Grand Prix pays homage to the Chopard Grand Prix De Monaco Historique Chronograph.











Nevertheless, its a nice piece all round :)
zeikphur
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
Humm, maybe to attain to SINN status, is kinda over the top.

I would think, to be able to come close to Meistersinger or even Nomos Glashütte, is still job well done for the company :D
herzausstahl
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
wah I want an apollon!
big-e-294
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
Is the Steinhart Nav-B Chrono II worth getting?
Ed.YEO
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"big-e-294"

Is the Steinhart Nav-B Chrono II worth getting?


Definitely worth getting. Considering the price with shipping @ around SGD1.4k(gnomo @ abt 1.5), HAMILTONs with elabore movements priced more than that... STEINHARTs is more VFM lo.
big-e-294
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"Ed.YEO"

[quote="big-e-294"]Is the Steinhart Nav-B Chrono II worth getting?


Definitely worth getting. Considering the price with shipping @ around SGD1.4k(gnomo @ abt 1.5), HAMILTONs with elabore movements priced more than that... STEINHARTs is more VFM lo.[/quote]

How does Steinhart compare with Archimede?



just curious and hoping to learn more before i decide and commit :oops:
lunarin79
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"big-e-294"

just curious and hoping to learn more before i decide and commit :oops:


steinhart,archimede & sinn?



:twisted: :twisted:
big-e-294
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"lunarin79"

[quote="big-e-294"]just curious and hoping to learn more before i decide and commit :oops:


steinhart,archimede & sinn?



:twisted: :twisted:[/quote]

that's arranged in order by price right? :lol:

the archimede pilot chrono is quite nice too. :twisted:
Ed.YEO
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
Comparing ARCHIMEDE FLIEGER Chrono to STEIHART, the only difference you'll see is that the date window is placed at 6oclock position, while STEINHART's date window is opened in a tradditional position of 3 o'clock. ARCHIMEDE lacks of a day window, STEINHART comes with.



Of all the 3 you have listed, STEINHART is definitely a better budget buy... but if you want something that have resale value... you have to pay more for SINN.



By the way... the way you arrange the brands in sequence, it's from budget to expensive... ARCHIMEDE is about 1.8k if i'm not wrong...SINN more higher.
big-e-294
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"Ed.YEO"

Comparing ARCHIMEDE FLIEGER Chrono to STEIHART, the only difference you'll see is that the date window is placed at 6oclock position, while STEINHART's date window is opened in a tradditional position of 3 o'clock. ARCHIMEDE lacks of a day window, STEINHART comes with.



Of all the 3 you have listed, STEINHART is definitely a better budget buy... but if you want something that have resale value... you have to pay more for SINN.



By the way... the way you arrange the brands in sequence, it's from budget to expensive... ARCHIMEDE is about 1.8k if i'm not wrong...SINN more higher.


Sinn is definitely out. :D



but i noticed the Archimede is sized at 42mm and a matt/satin finish, while the Steinhart is at 44mm with a brushed finish.

the day window may be a selling point for some, but personally i'm ok without the day window :?

the crowns are also different.



i think i need to compare them both side by side. :mrgreen:
Ed.YEO
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
Even with brushed finish, the STEINHART dial will be a real eye catcher with the complementing lume used. Archimede so far have not seen with snap shots posted in other forums... so really couldn't tell how much good it will look.



I think you can check on brudder sys12345 post for a good look on the STEINHART 44 Nav Chrono.

If i'm not wrong... should be this?

http://forums.seikoclubsg.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20&p=2718#p2718" false;
Ed.YEO
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
Ahhh... no...

This is the one that brudder sys12345 owned till now.

http://forums.seikoclubsg.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=113&p=1476#p1476" false;
big-e-294
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"Ed.YEO"

Ahhh... no...

This is the one that brudder sys12345 owned till now.

http://forums.seikoclubsg.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=113&p=1476#p1476"http://www.blogmywatch.com/index.php?album=Anteus%2Farchimede-pilot-chronograph&image=IMG_5717.JPG" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.blogmywatch.com/index.php?album=Anteus%2Farchimede-pilot-chronograph&image=IMG_5717.JPG"http://www.blogmywatch.com/albums/Anteus/archimede-pilot-chronograph/IMG_6165.JPG" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.blogmywatch.com/albums/Anteus/archimede-pilot-chronograph/IMG_6165.JPG" false;
Ed.YEO
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"big-e-294"

i found one:

http://www.blogmywatch.com/index.php?album=Anteus%2Farchimede-pilot-chronograph&image=IMG_5717.JPG"http://www.blogmywatch.com/albums/Anteus/archimede-pilot-chronograph/IMG_6165.JPG" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.blogmywatch.com/albums/Anteus/archimede-pilot-chronograph/IMG_6165.JPG"http://www.blogmywatch.com/cache/Anteus__archimede-pilot-chronograph__IMG_5717.JPG_800.jpg" alt="" loading="lazy">

vs this...



(sorry brudder sys12345, got to borrow your picture from WUS)



Blue is more sexy... IMO... ;) ;) ;)
big-e-294
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"Ed.YEO"

[quote="big-e-294"]i found one:

http://www.blogmywatch.com/index.php?album=Anteus%2Farchimede-pilot-chronograph&image=IMG_5717.JPG"http://www.blogmywatch.com/albums/Anteus/archimede-pilot-chronograph/IMG_6165.JPG" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.blogmywatch.com/albums/Anteus/archimede-pilot-chronograph/IMG_6165.JPG"http://www.blogmywatch.com/cache/Anteus__archimede-pilot-chronograph__IMG_5717.JPG_800.jpg" alt="" loading="lazy">

vs this...



(sorry brudder sys12345, got to borrow your picture from WUS)



Blue is more sexy... IMO... ;) ;) ;)[/quote]

very true... blue lume is sexy.



so the lume on steinhart is really blue?

and not coz the white balance is a bit off, coz i get the same affect when i take a snap of my mm300 with my iphone:



Ed.YEO
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"big-e-294"

very true... blue lume is sexy.



so the lume on steinhart is really blue?

and not coz the white balance is a bit off, coz i get the same affect when i take a snap of my mm300 with my iphone:





found a comment about the STEINHART Chrono lume from WUS... dunno whether it helps?

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f275/some-questions-navb-chrono-ii-366574-post2739294.html#post2739294" false;
sinner1974
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
Confirm and chop the lume is blue colour :)
big-e-294
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"Ed.YEO"

[quote="big-e-294"]very true... blue lume is sexy.



so the lume on steinhart is really blue?

and not coz the white balance is a bit off, coz i get the same affect when i take a snap of my mm300 with my iphone:





found a comment about the STEINHART Chrono lume from WUS... dunno whether it helps?

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f275/some-questions-navb-chrono-ii-366574-post2739294.html#post2739294" false;[/quote]

Thx bro.

I think it's best to take a trip to gnomon and compare both side by side.
Ed.YEO
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
Just to let you know, the STEINHART Nav Chrono @ Gnomon is not available with bracelet, only leather strap. If you get the bracelet from them, it will cost you much more than you order straight full set from Germany.
big-e-294
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"Ed.YEO"

Just to let you know, the STEINHART Nav Chrono @ Gnomon is not available with bracelet, only leather strap. If you get the bracelet from them, it will cost you much more than you order straight full set from Germany.


Thx for the heads up. But I prefer on leather.

My own opinion, i feel pilot watches looks best on leather...
aiken74
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
aft google tis Archimede then noe they hab awarded winning 1st place in Focus magazine's Golden Unruh awards in the under 1000 EUR category in 2008 and 3rd place in 2009. I noe sumhuan hab make a gd choice... 8-) gxgx bro



Quote:

Classic design and engineering precision come together in this outstanding pilot's chronograph. The movement is the rugged, yet highly accurate, Swiss-made ETA 7750 automatic. The finely crafted three-piece stainless steel case is available in either finely brushed or black PVD finish. The oversized diamond crown and large pushers make using this watch a pleasure. Under the sapphire crystal, the black dial features clear luminous hands and numbers and discreet date at six o'clock.
telepgm
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
The Ocean Vintage Military is an absolute stunner, I got it for less than $600 from Anders of Gnonmon.



Only thing I wish for is that it could a little smaller at 39.5mm or 40mm. 42mm is a handsome size, especially on a blue-grey NATO - but it's not "vintage" in terms of size.



All in all, I'm still lovin it! Cheerios to Anders and Christine.



Best - Tele
sys12345
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
Not sure if i'm a little late here but u can get the Nav B Chrono II bracelet from Gunter and the leather strap (of your choice) can be thrown in FOC. :D






"big-e-294"

[quote="Ed.YEO"]Just to let you know, the STEINHART Nav Chrono @ Gnomon is not available with bracelet, only leather strap. If you get the bracelet from them, it will cost you much more than you order straight full set from Germany.


Thx for the heads up. But I prefer on leather.

My own opinion, i feel pilot watches looks best on leather...[/quote]
Ed.YEO
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"sys12345"

Not sure if i'm a little late here but u can get the Nav B Chrono II bracelet from Gunter and the leather strap (of your choice) can be thrown in FOC. :D


Hmm... could be a little late oredi, as brudder big-e had left the state liaoz... Hopefully he still log-in to this forum while he's outside...
sys12345
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
No worries... he can always get one another time. Its not a LE or a forum watch like the Black Sea! :roll:
Ed.YEO
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"sys12345"

No worries... he can always get one another time. Its not a LE or a forum watch like the Black Sea! :roll:

Yah lor ... Too bad that the black sea is only availae for those from the Russian forum. What a good priced GMT to missed.
salokiN
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
Sorry to dig up such an old thread, but just curious... To order the Nav-B Chrono II direct from Steinhart's website would only come up to about 1.1k max, why would anyone still want to get it from Gnomon? I'm a little confused...
lunarin79
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
less waiting time i guess



another thing prob is the local warranty?
Ed.YEO
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"lunarin79"

less waiting time i guess



another thing prob is the local warranty?


Brudder Lun had stated one part of the factor which why some collectors in SG preferred to get from Gnomon, Yes... save that hassle of sending back to Germany.



But if we're to look back more than a yr ago, when 1euro was to 2+SGD, during that time if you order from Germany straight, the savings is only 100 or 200 dollars, compare to now when 1euro to 1.53SGD... you get more than 200 dollars savings...

Back to Gnomon, their list price now is base on USD. It will be that figure all the way until the next price adjustment. There won't be any toning down as well, even if there's such as day when 1USD might fall on par with 1SGD.
rogue_hog
Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"salokiN"

Sorry to dig up such an old thread, but just curious... To order the Nav-B Chrono II direct from Steinhart's website would only come up to about 1.1k max, why would anyone still want to get it from Gnomon? I'm a little confused...


I got both my steinharts from gnomon. Reasons are simple.

1) I like to physicLly see and try the watch first. It might look good on print but might not look that great on your wrist.



2) convenience. Like bros mentioned. Should any issues arise, we can just send it to gnomon. If you get direct, you,ll have to arrange to ship it back yourself.
infinitesadness
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
ditto... i rather get straight from gnonom. for the same reasons bro rogue_hog stated.
salokiN
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
Right... Understand better now, thanks for the heads up :)



Been thinking about the Nav-B Chrono II for a while now, but still pretty hesitant to pull the trigger.



I believe Gnomon do not have stocks for them at the moment right?
rogue_hog
Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
Izzit? I think they have leh. Got mine about a month ago. Think I saw it when I went down again last week.
Ed.YEO
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
By the way guyz... any suggestion that i can pay the FEDEX GST bill more conveniently? What are the other channels available besides sending cheque or go personally to FEDEX office? @ UBI?
rogue_hog
Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
Dud you check with them if they can pick the gst cheque up from you when their guy comes to deliv the parcel?
salokiN
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"rogue_hog"

Izzit? I think they have leh. Got mine about a month ago. Think I saw it when I went down again last week.


How is it bro? Can spare some time to do a review :D:D



I'm gian because of the Valjoux 7750 used and the price tag.
rogue_hog
Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
Only used it a coupla times since I got it. No complaints... Yet.



But the onion crown a bit sharp.
salokiN
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart
Nice... I reckon you got the Nav-B Chrono II Black? Cause the normal one with blue hands don't have onion crown :D
Ed.YEO
Re: Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"rogue_hog"

Dud you check with them if they can pick the gst cheque up from you when their guy comes to deliv the parcel?

I just received the bill mailed to me last we onli... so no idea about passing cheque to FEDEX man ley...
rogue_hog
Deutsch Zeitmesser : Steinhart

"salokiN"

Nice... I reckon you got the Nav-B Chrono II Black? Cause the normal one with blue hands don't have onion crown :D


No ah. Mine's the ss with the blue hands. Onion crown is standard for both ss and PVD.