Spot Anything Amiss?

besides the aftermarket bezel insert?



This is a 6309-7049 btw.

aftermarket hands ?

any other angle of tis watch 4 a better view :mrgreen:

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from the other photos, pretty sure hands are aftermarket.

moi guess...aftmkt on de dial & bezel...

HK 7049 is non-bevelled window rite?



does the caseback fonts looks funny?

not sure on the dial ... lots of jpg artifacts on around the day/date cutout ...

Didn't notice any issue with the caseback fonts ....

"lunarin79"

HK 7049 is non-bevelled window rite?



does the caseback fonts looks funny?

7049 got a few dial variations. Some got spell out full hong kong, some spell hong ko.



my fully spelt hong kong got bevelled but not much.. hong ko huan, i duno wor...

overall look,the bezel n hands set nia(haha as for nw).. dial is legit



'sword' at 12 seems right thickness and spacing,seiko font is silverish (fake use whitish paint though good fakes also sue silver..lol)

bottom details at 6 seems right height/thickness but cant read whats written inside .

window accepted as one variant of authentic 6309 dial.



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Are HONG KO dials legit ?

backcase words tally to what I seen and know. font size all seem ok to me.



since this is mixed country made 6309,then backcase just 'A' which is correct.

For those interested to read more(always double confirm from other sources);



http://forums.watchuseek.com/f281/how-buy-seiko-6309-diver-collectors-buying-guide-140799.html"JAPAN A" case-back). Dials on these early watches should also be marked "JAPAN" at the bottom. Later variants (1980 to approximately 1988) should not have the Suwa logo, and will have dials marked "HONG KONG" (these are the variants with the "A" marked case-backs). It is worth noting that in original condition, the word’s WATER & RESIST were painted red, while the 150m was painted whitish silver paint. However, over the years the red color tends to fade, turning anywhere from orange to yellow to grey over time, with a few examples having been found faded to a very light blue (so don’t stress too much about finding them in perfect red condition). Having this text in white is a dead giveaway for an aftermarket dial. The only white on the 6309 dial should be the hour & minute markers. Below the 6:00 marker, stretching as far as between the 7:00 & 5:00 markers is written in tiny letters, the dial code. These dial codes tell us where the dial was made and what market the watch was originally destined for, be it Japan, the Americas, or everybody else (Arabia, EAU, etc.). There are five distinctly different dial codes. These five different codes are:



1) The first 6309`s (1976 to approximately 1980) where early Japan made watches, they read:



“JAPAN 6309-704LT” and have the Suwa symbol directly above the 6 o’clock marker.



As of this writing, reproductions of this particular dial have not really been seen by our forum experts and restorers, however don’t be surprised if they are be copied in the near future. When production of these watches was moved to Singapore in the early 1980`s, two more different dial codes were introduced, depending on the market the watch was destined for.



2) The second dial code was made for the American market, and stretches completely from the 7 o’clock marker all the way to the 5 o’clock marker, and reads:



“6309-704X T (Suwa Symbol) MOVT AND DIAL JAPAN CASED HONG KONG”





Attention MUST be paid to the length of the text, as reproduction dials do not completely fill the area between 7 and 5 o’clock; often omit some of the words; and/or abbreviate HONG KONG to read “Hong Ko”. These are reproductions.



3) There is a shortened variant of the prior dial code which reads (the same Hong Ko warning applies to these):



"6309-704X T (suwa symbol) MOV'T JAPAN CASED HONG KONG"



4) The third dial code, is an abbreviated version of the Japan/Hong Kong dial code that does not include the word DIAL:



"6309-704L T (Suwa Symbol) MOVT JAPAN CASED HONG KONG"



You do have to be careful with this dial code, for this combination is the one that gets knocked of the most as the infamous "Hong Ko" dials. I have not been able to nail the exact story behind this dial code yet.



5) The third dial code, also made in Singapore, but for a market other than America reads:



“6309-704 M T” (with a very small Suwa symbol at the left)



Attention MUST be paid to the size of the Suwa symbol, as reproduction dials have a slightly larger symbol.

dats wat i tot too.



dial shld be original due to HK dial, the sword oso seems legit.



insert & hands are not really an issue for me as well..seems like this is hootable :lol:

it looks ok to me.. the photos was probably tweaked, so it may not look so 'original'.



here is my 6309-7049, which is all original except for the hr & min hands... as confirmed by Goh when he serviced it.

the text below is for the American market.

Here's my 7049 for reference. Ah Goh at first also thought aftermarket until closer examination.

Dial , hands, bezel are aftermarket.

The dial spacer are not correct.

Missing the movt spacer too.



*best and undispute method for checking dial is to remove the dial and check the back print.



Cant say much about the case or back case.

Wah.... so many sexperts liaoz....



AFAIK.... "HONG KO" dial is not original..... only "HONG KONG" is.... so I can firmly said dat the dial is aftermarket....



Caseback confirm also must not have "JAPAN".....



Hands also not original..... looked to be rounded instead of flat.....



Crystal is original judged by the fosted side.....



Good luck!

ah ha! Seiko spell wrongly! :lol: nah, just kidding...



ok, I think the small left screw in the movement is aftermarket :mrgreen:

"watchlooker"

Wah.... so many sexperts liaoz....



AFAIK.... "HONG KO" dial is not original..... only "HONG KONG" is.... so I can firmly said dat the dial is aftermarket....



Caseback confirm also must not have "JAPAN".....



Hands also not original..... looked to be rounded instead of flat.....



Crystal is original judged by the fosted side.....



Good luck!

my bad. i misread the hong ko part. Now i search back on isthmus post below, he said hong ko is aftermarket.



http://www.thewatchsite.com/index.php?topic=153.0

"watchlooker"

Wah.... so many sexperts liaoz....



AFAIK.... "HONG KO" dial is not original..... only "HONG KONG" is.... so I can firmly said dat the dial is aftermarket....



Caseback confirm also must not have "JAPAN".....



Hands also not original..... looked to be rounded instead of flat.....



Crystal is original judged by the fosted side.....



Good luck!

Yeah...I'm rite on de aftmkt dial... :lol:

I cant even see the tiny words at 6...have to literally stare at screen at close distance.. then realised the 'ko'... thats e give away part.



but rest of technical info I added earlier is correct,I didnt check and tally the words at 6.



but have to stress that dont take a non-bevelled window to determine if its a fake. like what we learn,the details to the words at 6 is also impt.

"oOsiMm"

I cant even see the tiny words at 6...have to literally stare at screen at close distance.. then realised the 'ko'... thats e give away part.



but rest of technical info I added earlier is correct,I didnt check and tally the words at 6.



but have to stress that dont take a non-bevelled window to determine if its a fake. like what we learn,the details to the words at 6 is also impt.

Oh yeah. The text is short.

Fake!

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