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New ETA movement with 80 hrs power reserve!

gasmancc
New ETA movement with 80 hrs power reserve!
From watchuseek:



http://forums.watchuseek.com/f62/80-hour-power-tissot-powermatic-80-luxury-automatic-824306.html" false;



I personally don't own a Tissot but this is definitely something to consider..more than 3 days power reserve for a slower beat rate...what do you guys think? ;)
Ed.YEO
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A good breakthrough in development, though the beat frequency is a bit lower... machiam Seiko's 4R15...

Still, now in early stage, production volume not high enuff to bring the price down. Maybe wait for another year ba. Wait for more models to use this new movement.
eawtan
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Nice, hope uhr.info will be able to produce variants using this movement ...
zeikphur
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wow 80hrs PR, not too shabby
clarencetan
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This will beat Grand Seiko which only has 72 hrs.
Ed.YEO
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"eawtan"

Nice, hope uhr.info will be able to produce variants using this movement ...

dunno when will they be adopting this movement to their other watches... perhaps 2yrs later? Recently not much activity from them ley...

By the way i just saw 2 or 3 variants displayed @ Marina Sq TISSOT boutique, listed as $1k++. So maybe after discount, can get @ 8++~9++ elsewhere? Mustafa still do not have such model yet...
McNulty
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"gasmancc"

From watchuseek:



http://forums.watchuseek.com/f62/80-hour-power-tissot-powermatic-80-luxury-automatic-824306.html" false;



I personally don't own a Tissot but this is definitely something to consider..more than 3 days power reserve for a slower beat rate...what do you guys think? ;)


Don't like.



A good power reserve for a vintage military watch like a PAM 8 days sounds good.



But Tissot for me is the brand of the racing chronographs. I would want better 33600 bph on them.
Ed.YEO
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"McNulty"

[quote="gasmancc"]From watchuseek:



http://forums.watchuseek.com/f62/80-hour-power-tissot-powermatic-80-luxury-automatic-824306.html" false;



I personally don't own a Tissot but this is definitely something to consider..more than 3 days power reserve for a slower beat rate...what do you guys think? ;)


Don't like.



A good power reserve for a vintage military watch like a PAM 8 days sounds good.



But Tissot for me is the brand of the racing chronographs. I would want better 33600 bph on them.[/quote]
Yup... For the price of more than usd$5k for 8days P.R. ... Certainly worth paying for.

Tissot should mass produce 36kbph movements to counter the stiff competition from the japs. But, the Swiss are just too conservative. A good example is Zenith. Got numbers of models with 36kbph, but mostly comes with small and short seconds hand.
John.ChiaTC
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did some search, thou that Swatch Group stop using ETA movement? just wondering is this the clone movement with 80 hrs?



http://www.luxist.com/2009/12/30/swatch-group-vows-that-eta-will-stop-selling-watch-movements-to/" false;
Ed.YEO
Re: New ETA movement with 80 hrs power reserve!

"John.ChiaTC"

did some search, thou that Swatch Group stop using ETA movement? just wondering is this the clone movement with 80 hrs?

你看错了吧？

ETA is a gem/gold spinner of the SWATCH Group! How would they give up on ETA? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
John.ChiaTC
Re: New ETA movement with 80 hrs power reserve!

"Ed.YEO"

[quote="John.ChiaTC"]did some search, thou that Swatch Group stop using ETA movement? just wondering is this the clone movement with 80 hrs?

你看错了吧？

ETA is a gem/gold spinner of the SWATCH Group! How would they give up on ETA? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:[/quote]
orh, i still learning. :(
roo7
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I think you mis read that article ? I think it's more like Swatch group limiting the sale of ETA movement to watch companies outside Swatch Group. That's why we see a lot of brands moving to Miyota, Seiko OEM and Sellita for alternatives.
John.ChiaTC
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"roo7"

I think you mis read that article ? I think it's more like Swatch group limiting the sale of ETA movement to watch companies outside Swatch Group. That's why we see a lot of brands moving to Miyota, Seiko OEM and Sellita for alternatives.

ic, then those outside of Swatch Group using ETA movement on their watches will be more prices that those using others brands of movement? Supply and demand, less supply and price go up.
rogue_hog
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"John.ChiaTC"

[quote="roo7"]I think you mis read that article ? I think it's more like Swatch group limiting the sale of ETA movement to watch companies outside Swatch Group. That's why we see a lot of brands moving to Miyota, Seiko OEM and Sellita for alternatives.

ic, then those outside of Swatch Group using ETA movement on their watches will be more prices that those using others brands of movement? Supply and demand, less supply and price go up.[/quote]

Yes and no actually. Cos of this move by the swatch group, several brands are developing their own movements. Thus pricing higher also.



Depends in the movements used. A laco for example using a miyota movement is significantly cheaper than a same model using eta 2824.
John.ChiaTC
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"rogue_hog"

[quote="John.ChiaTC"]
ic, then those outside of Swatch Group using ETA movement on their watches will be more prices that those using others brands of movement? Supply and demand, less supply and price go up.


Yes and no actually. Cos of this move by the swatch group, several brands are developing their own movements. Thus pricing higher also.



Depends in the movements used. A laco for example using a miyota movement is significantly cheaper than a same model using eta 2824.[/quote]
I saw Helson Skindiver is using Eta for the first batch with sold out. Believe the demand of Skindiver is pop and now they change to Miyota for the 2nd batch selling at USD 749 http://www.helsonwatch.com/skindiver.php" false;
004
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80hrs thats impressive , the watch looks 8-) also .
004
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"clarencetan"

This will beat Grand Seiko which only has 72 hrs.


:o
ckw
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just read that the Blancpain Villeret Tourbillon has 168 hours of power reserve and since its Blancpain and a Tourbillon, it also comes with a stunning price tag of £80,000, which is roughly just under S$150,000, not too bad a price given S$ strong exchange nowadays...but i can only look see for this piece of wonder...
Ed.YEO
TISSOT POWERMATIC 80 now available @ MUSTAFA!
Just came back from MUSTAFA, both SERANGOON PLAZA and SYED ALWI wing.





Price starts from SGD$10xx(for SS casing, bracelet with either SILVER dial or BLACK dial) till 11xx(RG+SS dual tone casing, bracelet with either SILVER dial or BLACK dial) comes with 2yrs warranty.



Strangely, on the advertising billboard outside Mustafa, there's the word Chronometer printed on the dial, but physical product... don't.
big-e-294
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Typically a larger barrel and/or longer a mainspring will increase the running time of a watch.



So Tissot, by stretching the mainspring and making the barrel core smaller (thus increasing its diameter), is able to achieve the PR of 80hrs. The max size of the barrel is also limited by the size of the mainplate.



There is a fine balance between a torque (which directly proportional to the width of the mainspring. Thicker=more torque) and PR. The longer the running time will result in a decrease in the torque. The torque will usually decrease each day by no more than 15%. Thus affecting the constant timing rate. By tweaking the balance and lowering the frequency it is able to keep a regular beat, in the decrease in torque over each day.



All this while being able to keep the watch small in size (remember the mainplate size will limit the max barrel size). Not too bad for a "mid-priced" watch.

It's really a challenge to balance all these contributing factors.
Ed.YEO
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From the informations i gathered so far, there are several posts mentioned that the c07.111 Powermatic 80 movement was sort of origin from the 2824, then later fine tune in architectural design, with toning down of 28.8k bhp downgrade to 21.6k bph to achieve the 80hrs power reserve...



didn't know they ETA made other changes you had mentioned...
big-e-294
Re: New ETA movement with 80 hrs power reserve!

"Ed.YEO"

From the informations i gathered so far, there are several posts mentioned that the c07.111 Powermatic 80 movement was sort of origin from the 2824, then later fine tune in architectural design, with toning down of 28.8k bhp downgrade to 21.6k bph to achieve the 80hrs power reserve...



didn't know they ETA made other changes you had mentioned...


ETA didn't. Tissot did.

If Tissot were to develop a caliber from scratch, it won't be mid-priced anymore.



In order to achieve 80hrs PR, definitely something architecturally has to be tweaked - it's physics.

80hr PR is not easily archived by toning down the frequency alone.
Ed.YEO
80hrs? Try beat this!... upcoming from SWATCH, System51 with
http://www.watch-insider.com/news/swatch-automatic-movement-called-system-51-presented-nick-hayek/"http://www.watch-insider.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/DSC02756-1024x683.jpg" alt="" loading="lazy">


You can not see the winding rotor, because it is transparent, so you can see through it. The purpose is of course to have the possibility to color the movement. The weight of the rotor is at its outer part. The power reserve is 90 hours!
supa4
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Wow... Swatch is coming out with a Value for money and accurate movement ... anticipating it :)
herzausstahl
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"big-e-294"

[quote="Ed.YEO"]From the informations i gathered so far, there are several posts mentioned that the c07.111 Powermatic 80 movement was sort of origin from the 2824, then later fine tune in architectural design, with toning down of 28.8k bhp downgrade to 21.6k bph to achieve the 80hrs power reserve...



didn't know they ETA made other changes you had mentioned...


ETA didn't. Tissot did.

If Tissot were to develop a caliber from scratch, it won't be mid-priced anymore.



In order to achieve 80hrs PR, definitely something architecturally has to be tweaked - it's physics.

80hr PR is not easily archived by toning down the frequency alone.[/quote]

Ah I see, good info, many thanks!



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Ed.YEO
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those who're interested with this movement can now get one under 750!
sawungkampret
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"Ed.YEO"

those who're interested with this movement can now get one under 750!


the tissot or swatch?
Ed.YEO
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Ouch!!!

Forget to add... it's TISSOT POWERMATIC80 Auto dress watches... ha~~~

Under 750 can get the SS case one with SS bracelet.

Around 820 can get the RG case with leather starp.



I'm still trying to look for the picture from the net... which are not the one i had posted in page one of this thread.
Solanum88
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Having develop this 80 hrs PR version and also past records of winning the concours international de chronometrie in 2011 with 768 points using a modified 2824 (far ahead of the second place F.P Journe with only 488 points :shock: ) Makes me wonder what other new tweaks can Tissot will develop for the 2824.
Ed.YEO
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Just huntumed this for 748...





without bracelet... under 67x,





with RG Case... under 830,





dual tone with bracelet- extra 150...

telepgm
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Think they got a real good deal for a chronometer one for around $1.2k.



That'll be the champions of all Powermatic.
telepgm
Re: 80hrs? Try beat this!... upcoming from SWATCH, System51




I want one.
balzebub71
Re: 80hrs? Try beat this!... upcoming from SWATCH, System51

"telepgm"





I want one.


me too just for kicks
Diospada
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Anybody has a prediction on how long before the movement in the sistem 51 stops working?



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balzebub71
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"Diospada"

Anybody has a prediction on how long before the movement in the sistem 51 stops working?



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Once the warranty expires? haha
Ed.YEO
SWATCH SiSTEM51 watches just released! Err... europe only...




Just came back from NEX, Swatch boutique there seems quite quiet.
telepgm
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"Ed.YEO"





Just came back from NEX, Swatch boutique there seems quite quiet.


Is it already released in SG, Ed?
Jeryltan
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"telepgm"

[quote="Ed.YEO"]



Just came back from NEX, Swatch boutique there seems quite quiet.


Is it already released in SG, Ed?[/quote]

Am curious too. Blue ver looks interesting.
Ed.YEO
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I don't think so... before I went to NEX last nite, I went to Mustafa check out 1st immediately when the count down was up. Been going there since Friday, no new models displayed. According to the discussion thread @ WUS, U.S. kenna scheduled for early next year. SG... probably behind HK ba...
sawungkampret
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swatch at bishan told me it's february next year and you can put your contact with them if you are interested with this model
telepgm
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"sawungkampret"

swatch at bishan told me it's february next year and you can put your contact with them if you are interested with this model


Was just there minutes ago & received the same advice. :) I have a feeling that the watch will be a hit.
Ed.YEO
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"telepgm"

[quote="sawungkampret"]swatch at bishan told me it's february next year and you can put your contact with them if you are interested with this model


Was just there minutes ago & received the same advice. :) I have a feeling that the watch will be a hit.[/quote]
Very hard to say la... pricing will indefinitely affect the popularity as well.

At the moment, only 4 models announced and released. And those are sized... quite small @ 36mm approx. To most of us who're get used to moderate sized ones like 38mm or 40 and above... The SiSTEM51 models may not stay in our collection for long. And if the price is really going to be 100eu... I think i'll stay with the current Swatch Automatics with at least serviceable ETA2841 movement, with SS case somemore...
balzebub71
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i will only buy if they put the sistem 51 movement into a swatch irony case that is 40mm or larger...
Ed.YEO
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"balzebub71"

i will only buy if they put the sistem 51 movement into a swatch irony case that is 40mm or larger...

Me as well...+1 for Steel case!



Those with accuracy fetish... might drool on the claimed performance which SiSTEM51 may offer.

http://swisswatchwire.com/2013/05/the-most-important-new-watch-in-30-years-inside-swatchs-revolutionary-sistem51.html"111">[size=111]the Sistem51 is incredibly accurate that Swatch says it will approach chronometer-certified accuracy[/size]. :o :shock: :shock:
Ed.YEO
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No much good news here... for those who can read German... price mentioned, i googled translation... 120eu(err... USD$168? SGD$210 approx?) !

http://hautehorlogerie.at/files/4a9864a3b9f47d1321022ab184a0f38b-2.html" false;
Watcher
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Ah another informative article from WUS :)
balzebub71
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I saw a guy wearing a black sistem 51 last week



Sent from the dark side
KKFA
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I read that the Swatch is on sale now only in Swiss for 150 CHF.



Can get from online for 195 USD shipped. Not exactly cheap for a plastic watch.



Interesting that this thread turned from Tissot Powermatic to Swatch. Also very interesting that some say the grand ancestor of the original Swatch was a Tissot plastic movement watch made in the 70s. The article conjectured that Tissot waa not given any credit as the group wanted to fully promote the Swatch. BTW another interesting point was that the plastic movement watch had ...wait for it.. 52 parts one more than Swatch.. coincidence??



Have a great weekend.
balzebub71
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Anyway, after 24hrs plus, my sistem51 runs at +3s, worn during the day and left dial up in my watch box at night.



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KKFA
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"balzebub71"

Anyway, after 24hrs plus, my sistem51 runs at +3s, worn during the day and left dial up in my watch box at night.



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Thats not too bad. The regulation is said to be laser adjusted. Wear in good health!