Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?

Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?







list price around $9,500

Caliber No. 9S85 - 36,000 high beats - 48hrs power reserve

•Blue-steel second hand



Drive system Mechanical Automatic (Hand winding capability)

Case Stainless steel

Case back See-through screw case back with sapphire crystal

Glass High definition dual-curved sapphire crystal with anti-reflective coating

Bracelet Solid stainless steel

Buckle Stainless steel with three-fold clasp with push button release

Accuracy +5 ~ -3 seconds/ day

Water resistance 10 bar

Magnetic resistance 4800 A/m (60 gauss)

Weight 151g

Case thickness 13.0 mm

Case diameter 40.0mm

Jewels 37









list price around $9,000

Caliber No. 9S65 - 72hrs power reserve

Case High-intensity titanium

•Blue-steel second hand



Drive system Mechanical Automatic (Hand winding capability)

Case back See-through screw case back with sapphire crystal

Glass High definition dual-curved sapphire crystal with anti-reflective coating

Bracelet Solid high-intensity titanium and solid titanium

Buckle High-intensity titanium and titanium with three-fold clasp with push button release

Accuracy +5 ~ -3 seconds/ day

Water resistance 10 bar

Magnetic resistance 4800 A/m (60 gauss)

Weight 96g

Case thickness 13.4mm

Case diameter 37.8mm

Jewels 35









list price around $6,500

Caliber No. 9S65 - 72hrs power reserve



Drive system Mechanical Automatic (Hand winding capability)

Case Stainless steel

Case back See-through screw case back with sapphire crystal

Glass High definition dual-curved sapphire crystal with anti-reflective coating

Bracelet Solid stainless steel

Buckle Stainless steel with three-fold clasp with push button release

Accuracy +5 ~ -3 seconds/ day

Water resistance 10 bar

Magnetic resistance 4800 A/m (60 gauss)

Weight 140g

Case thickness 13.3 mm

Case diameter 37.0mm

Jewels 35









Visited the Vivo Seiko outlet, shortlisted this 2.



Really like the high beat sbgh001, except for the overall weight and thin indices for its hour markers.



I had the flightmaster which is in g-alloy titanium, impressed by the light weight of its and harder in vickers (hardness, less prone to scratch), to me its the same, the clasp of my MM300 or FM always kanna, the g-alloy metal color is of darker tone too. sbgr059 High-intensity titanium really look bright like stainless steel and i can't differentiate till its in my hand. Nice touch of blue second hand too, but near $3k more for blue second hand and titanium material. Is its worth its ?



sbgr051 is no frill Grand Seiko, GS class movement and finishing, plus 72hrs power reserve to accomodate if you dun wear dress watch over the weekend, thats the 72hrs purpose after all.









No $ buy GS, so wear my Spirit and act like GS, squat on the floor and draw circles .... :(



Cheers !
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
if hv $$$ to hoot ...

Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
1st one for me. I like solid hefty watch but it's just me. :mrgreen:
Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
1st one for me.

:)
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
First one for me. For GS, I'm mainly interested in the hi-beat movement. For the price of the others, I'd much rather explore other brands.
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
4 me is...

1st GS's dial n case size,2nd GS's case material n 3rd GS's hands n price n pr...:)



Ok serious if got $$$ i go 4 1st pc...
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
At the first glance, without looking at the specs, the first 2 are more attractive due to the blue second hand.



But when you deep dive into the specs, on a price to specs comparison, I rather get a hi beat movt. 72 hours reserve is not really a wow factor, how many days do you need to bring the reserve to 72 hours ? My normal ETA movt already need a few days of wear before it can hit it's full reverse, so the PR is really secondary.



Once you remove the PR factor, it comes down to the case, to any layman, a light case equate cheap. When I first lifted up a Ti Sammy, I was like damn, this watch is too light ! I'm sorry Ti cases owners, but they don't work for me. (of course there are others from certain engineering background will understand Ti is not an easy metal to work with).



So with all that, my choice is made, the first one :lol:
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
sbgh001 High-beat 36000 the most chio, most advance movement but take may need strict service interval to japan. 36000 more wear and tear than 28800 bph

sbgr059 Titanium lightest, most scratch resist, longer Power reserve, smaller diameter that suit smaller wrist

sbgr051 cheapest, most value for $$, longer Power reserve, no blue hand



Welcome to Grand seiko club~
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?

"roo7"

At the first glance, without looking at the specs, the first 2 are more attractive due to the blue second hand.



But when you deep dive into the specs, on a price to specs comparison, I rather get a hi beat movt. 72 hours reserve is not really a wow factor, how many days do you need to bring the reserve to 72 hours ? My normal ETA movt already need a few days of wear before it can hit it's full reverse, so the PR is really secondary.



Once you remove the PR factor, it comes down to the case, to any layman, a light case equate cheap. When I first lifted up a Ti Sammy, I was like damn, this watch is too light ! I'm sorry Ti cases owners, but they don't work for me. (of course there are others from certain engineering background will understand Ti is not an easy metal to work with).



So with all that, my choice is made, the first one :lol:


Yes, nice and sharp. End of the day the high-beat is the only true preserve of GS-class movement.
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?

"edmundgoh"

sbgh001 High-beat 36000 the most chio, most advance movement but take may need strict service interval to japan. 36000 more wear and tear than 28800 bph

sbgr059 Titanium lightest, most scratch resist, longer Power reserve, smaller diameter that suit smaller wrist

sbgr051 cheapest, most value for $$, longer Power reserve, no blue hand



Welcome to Grand seiko club~


Let me respectfully add that I don't think the high-beat movement is the most advanced, nor is it the most suited for this form factor. Many manufactures are capable of higher frequency movements, but the gains are marginal and often unnecessary), so maybe that is why they don't do it. I think high frequency movements, driving a chronograph, allows a more accurate measurement of elasped time; high-frequency also allows a faster recovery when the movement is shocked. Otherwise 36k is just for the sake of it. Which is why I like the hi-beat GS, simply because it is 36k.



36k having more wear than 28.8k is true, but it is such as academic point with little practical implication that it should be moot.



And it is ridiculous that titanium costs so much more. :|
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
Knock over ! 7 votes for high beat ! :D
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
Lock on Target then. The white dial on Hi beat very cool. Remember to post photo.
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
Same as most bros.

Will go for HI-BEAT :lol:
Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
Yup!

I will be very happy for u!

Post photos!

:)
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
Bro Lexong, join me... get the Hi-Beat... for info, They have a limited edition piece by Thong Sia at Vivo, special dial :)
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
Hi-beat. Period.
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?

"BnL"

Bro Lexong, join me... get the Hi-Beat... for info, They have a limited edition piece by Thong Sia at Vivo, special dial :)


Limited edition by thong sia at vivo ? Which model ? Any Pics ? Thanks.
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
If I were u bro lexong given the 3 choices... I like the majority of the bros here will go for the hi-beat choice 1. Simply because it is hi-beat nothing else.... ;)



But if you can find one like this one..... best of the crops IMO....



Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?

"watchlooker"

If I were u bro lexong given the 3 choices... I like the majority of the bros here will go for the hi-beat choice 1. Simply because it is hi-beat nothing else.... ;)



But if you can find one like this one..... best of the crops IMO....





I will love to hoot this !



But I believe it's not easy to lay my hand on its due to the limited run of it ! :cry:
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?

"watchlooker"

If I were u bro lexong given the 3 choices... I like the majority of the bros here will go for the hi-beat choice 1. Simply because it is hi-beat nothing else.... ;)



But if you can find one like this one..... best of the crops IMO....





I will love to hoot this !



But I believe it's not easy to lay my hand on its due to the limited run of it ! :cry:
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
Assumed that this GS will be my daily beater, I will factor in the collection variety and wrist size to make choice.

1.If my wrist can handle the 40mm diameter watch, then I will certainly go for SBGH001, otherwise take the SBGR051

2.If I want to enrich my collection variety, I will go for the SBGR059



Regards,

Kucimo
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
Personally my best take is either e GS Spring Drive or e normal GS/GS LE if it's special. I will leave e 36000 BPS alone as long term keepin may involve high servicing cost. Like Bro.Edmund's n BnL's take, buy what GS signature is "Spring Drive" or GS motto. Buying GS doesnt ve to be Hi-Beat as Seiko GS has imposed all strict quality control n Seiko has emphasised alot that they wanted2 produce their standards higher than the Swiss standards which is +5-3 or +-1 for Spring Drive. So even if one buys a normal GS 28,800 bph. Seiko had already set their GS Standards above e rest. Lexong, if bps is what matters to u most whenever u timed it against a timing machine n u enjoyed seeing e graphs. Then u know what's your take. Imho, I went to c the 3 different variants n compared to my ETA. Sec hands on 28,800 bps shutter alot n 36000 bps doesnt really makes alot if differences. But GS Spring Drive is butter smooth n hardly can c any shuttering effect on e sec hands.
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
I usually select my watch options thru logical evaluation... when i buy, use my heart more... what do I really desire...



Also, like wat I tell Bro Edmund... buy wat you can best afford, ratehr buy something of lesser value and then regret that you should have gone for the One u really like but feel that it costs too much.



Realise that death is certain... how long we get to enjoy is uncertain :)
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
I agree w u Bro.BnL


"BnL"

I usually select my watch options thru logical evaluation... when i buy, use my heart more... what do I really desire...



Also, like wat I tell Bro Edmund... buy wat you can best afford, ratehr buy something of lesser value and then regret that you should have gone for the One u really like but feel that it costs too much.


Hey I think differently... Death uncertain but enjoyment in Life is definitely certain. Hahaha... We live life to e fullest, aren't we ?

"BnL"


Realise that death is certain... how long we get to enjoy is uncertain :)
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
Haha Bro Kermit, guess we will soon see your new hoot... GS!
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
Hi Kermit,



That my thought exactly when I decided to buy GS Spring drive.



1. According to Seiko manual Spring drive need servicing after 3-4yrs. Mechanical 2-3yrs. The service maintence interval for SD is longer.

2. Spring drive sweeping hands is so smooth.

3. Superior accuracy over mechanical. Supposingly to be more robust and shock resist as well.

4. Power reserve indicator with GMT.

5. Prefer Stainless steel over Titanium as it can be polish easily.

6. Seiko had position Spring drive as a highend calibre that in use only in GS/ Ananta highend series.


"kermit e froggy"

Personally my best take is either e GS Spring Drive or e normal GS/GS LE if it's special. I will leave e 36000 BPS alone as long term keepin may involve high servicing cost. Like Bro.Edmund's n BnL's take, buy what GS signature is "Spring Drive" or GS motto. Buying GS doesnt ve to be Hi-Beat as Seiko GS has imposed all strict quality control n Seiko has emphasised alot that they wanted2 produce their standards higher than the Swiss standards which is +5-3 or +-1 for Spring Drive. So even if one buys a normal GS 28,800 bph. Seiko had already set their GS Standards above e rest. Lexong, if bps is what matters to u most whenever u timed it against a timing machine n u enjoyed seeing e graphs. Then u know what's your take. Imho, I went to c the 3 different variants n compared to my ETA. Sec hands on 28,800 bps shutter alot n 36000 bps doesnt really makes alot if differences. But GS Spring Drive is butter smooth n hardly can c any shuttering effect on e sec hands.
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?

"BnL"

Bro Lexong, join me... get the Hi-Beat... for info, They have a limited edition piece by Thong Sia at Vivo, special dial :)


What special dial? Any model no?
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?

"Evirobie"

[quote="BnL"]Bro Lexong, join me... get the Hi-Beat... for info, They have a limited edition piece by Thong Sia at Vivo, special dial :)


What special dial? Any model no?[/quote]

Sorry, didn't ask on the model. Was on display at Vivo.
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?

"BnL"




Sorry, didn't ask on the model. Was on display at Vivo.


Did it has a lot of "GS" on the dial?
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
Saw the limited edition GS High beat 36000 at Vivo boutique



The watch is limited to 150 pieces and comes with a free GS passport holder.



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Interesting Info on Grand seiko "Mastershop" models



According to Chino japan, if it is Master Shop Model, it is difficult to get it through web site.

Because SEIKO forbid to sell the GRAND SEIKO for Master Shop by internet shopping.

All GRAND SEIKO "mastershop" has been resistered with the shop name,

the resistered shop's mumber,and the serial number of GS

to SEIKO.

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(A very good story) Addendum – Grand Seiko 130th Anniversary models and the disaster that hit the case supplier (this part includes excerpts from an article written by Mr. Masahiro Hirota on Chronos Japan, No. 037, Nov. 2011 - Copyright Chronos Japan: Translated by KIH with written permission)



Here is a great story about one of the suppliers for Grand Seiko in the disaster area - “Hayashi Seiki (Hayashi Precision - “Hayashi”)”, who has been the case supplier to the Shizukuishi Watch Studio for a very long time. The Hayashi factory was near Shizukuishi but hit much harder than SEIKO factory. Hayashi was in the peak of making the cases for the 130th Anniversary models when the big quake hit at 14:46 on March 11 this year. The factory building almost collapsed, but what Mr. Hayashi, CEO, thought first was to salvage the cases which had been in the middle of production. PT and some YG cases had been cut and were being polished, and SS cases just finished the cutting process. Every employee entered the collapsed building and salvaged all of them – none of them had to be dumped. Hayashi decided to move the production to inside the Shizukuishi SEIKO factory and 12 days after the quake, they started extracting most of the machines from the former collapsed factory, reinforcing the building with 600 steel and wood support beams. And just in 20 days, most of the machines were safely moved our of the half-collapsed factory. By the middle of April, just one month after the quake, they already started polishing and assembling the cases. On June 6, less than 3 months after the disaster, they resumed the normal operation – forging, cutting, polishing, and assembling at the new site. Mr. Hayashi now recollects why he first thought of salvaging the cases, not anything else, “because it was 130th Anniversary models and they were very special cases”. Simple but considering the circumstances, astonishingly professional thought process.



Please, those who luckily acquired 130th Anniversary Grand Seiko, I do hope you remember this story and these people behind it whenever you see and wear it. What you got there have gone through such an extraordinary ordeal.









FYI – Grand Seiko SS cases go through 10 to 12 times of forging (at least twice the peers) with 250 tonnes of pressure and about 1100 Celsius of heat, and then cut and polish (see the difference between forging and cutting in my recent post here: patek.watchprosite.com=). This is how and why Grand Seiko cases have mirror-like reflection and there are probably only a few other manufacturers in Switzerland who do cases at this level. Grand Seiko cases are polished by special machine – Sallaz polisher (originally imported from Germany in late 50s, polishing company called Sallaz) – the surface of the case becomes truly like mirror. Mr. Hayashi wanted to make 130th Anniversary models just like the original Grand Seiko in 1960, inside out.






A story I just read about Grand Seiko 130th Anniversary models. :D
Re: Which Grand Seiko will you hoot ?
seems like the quartz GSs aren't popular here...



anyone interested in such pieces? they are rather affordable (relative to the mechanical variants) to be begin with...